Stories tagged with "limits to growth"
Cassandra's curse: how "The Limits to Growth" was demonized
Posted by Ugo Bardi on March 9, 2008 - 10:22am in The Oil Drum: Europe
Topic: Environment/Sustainability
Tags: limits to growth [list all tags]
Cassandra's story is very old: she was cursed that she would always tell the truth and never be believed. But it is also a very modern story and, perhaps, the quintessential Cassandras of our age are the group of scientists who prepared and published in 1972 the book titled "The Limits to Growth". With its scenarios of civilization collapse, the book shocked the world perhaps more than Cassandra had shocked her fellow Trojan citizens when she had predicted the fall of their city to the Achaeans. Just as Cassandra was not believed, so it was for the "Limits to Growth" which, today, is still widely seen as a thoroughly flawed study, wrong all along. This opinion is based only on lies and distortions but, apparently, Cassandra's curse is still alive and well in our times.
Above: image from an Athenian red vase from 5th century BC: Cassandra falls victim of the usual destiny of those who tell inconvenient truths.
Peak Oil and "The Limits to Growth": two parallel stories
Posted by Ugo Bardi on February 16, 2008 - 10:00am in The Oil Drum: Europe
Topic: Environment/Sustainability
Tags: limits to growth, sustainability [list all tags]

The figure above is taken from the 2004 edition of "The Limits to Growth". It shows the typical curves that the models of the study produce. These curves are similar to those of oil depletion studies based on the "Hubbert model". The similarity is not casual, the theory and the method behind the two approaches have a lot in common.
The Limits To Scenario Planning
Posted by Big Gav on February 5, 2008 - 5:30pm in The Oil Drum: Australia/New Zealand
Topic: Environment/Sustainability
Tags: club of rome, limits to growth, psychology, scenario modelling [list all tags]
I was involved in one of those periodic discussions that spring up about "The Limits To Growth" recently (one of my eternal bugbears) and found myself wondering, not for the first time, if other people have read a completely different version of the book to the one I possess.
In this case, the remark that prompted this was an assertion that the book only mentions energy once - when it actually mentions energy at least 40 times. However, most misconceptions about "Limits" fall into one of 2 categories:
1. Doomers and cornucopians alike claim the book makes a prediction that industrial civilisation will collapse, as we overwhelm our resource base and the environment (the doomers view this as a correct prediction, the cornucopians as a prediction that has been proved wrong - see this article at The Economist for a classic example).
2. Conspiracy theorists claim the book advocates world government and forced population reduction in order to avoid the collapse that it predicts.
Both of these views are completely false, yet I have never come across a rational discussion of what the book actually describes - which is a number of scenarios involving population, economic growth and resource consumption that have been generated using a computer model (known as World3) operating under various sets of assumptions and looking at a timeframe spanning the next 100 years.
The book doesn't actually "predict" anything. The authors explicitly note that it is not a forecast, and that they do not believe the available data and theories would enable an accurate prediction of what will happen to the world over the next century. The scenarios are simply a range of different examples of how the world might evolve.
Given this, I wondered why so many people have misunderstood what the book actually says...
[The graphs below display part of the output for scenario 9 in "Limits" - the forgotten scenario that I am complaining about.]

The World Energy Modeling Project
Posted by Nate Hagens on August 6, 2007 - 11:00pm
Topic: Miscellaneous
Tags: complex systems, energy modeling, limits to growth, net energy analysis, systems analysis [list all tags]
The following is a guest post about the need for global energy systems modeling, by ASPO-USA co-founder Dick Lawrence. Mr. Lawrence has a degree in Physics from Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute. After a career at Digital Equipment and Intel he is focusing on the world energy model and starting a solar hot-water business in Massachusetts. In 1986 he read "Beyond Oil" (the original) which was his introduction to resource depletion, Hubbert's peak, and the power of computers to model the behavior of complex systems. In May 2004 he proposed a project to model global energy flow at the ASPO meeting in Berlin.
In the 1980s, Robert Kaufmann co-authored, with 3 others, a study of energy flow through the U.S. economy in Beyond Oil (last updated in 1992). That study was the inspiration for a proposal to model energy flow at the global level, first shown to ASPO members and attendees at the 2004 Berlin conference. After several years of presentations and proposal refinement, a project to model world energy flow is now underway. Modeling teams will develop the North America model (United States, Mexico, and Canada) over the summer of 2007, performing initial model runs in September. They will then expand the scope of the model to the global level, completing development by (approximately) mid-2008.

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